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Human Equality in the Bahai Faith

Human Equality in the Bahai Faith

AZADEH HAIATI

According to Baha’i proponents “the unity of humanity transcending all divisions of race, nation, gender, caste and social class, while celebrating human diversity” [1] is one the most important and central teachings of the Baha’i Faith. Busy presenting sweet words as such, Baha’i advocates neglect the fact that their ideal propaganda is totally incompatible with and even opposite to the sayings of the founders of Baha’ism, and that they are merely spreading their own illusions under the name of “the superior and divine message of The Bahai Faith.”

To prove my claims, let us look into some of these sayings and you may judge for yourselves.

Blacks of Africa- Cows in the Shape of Human Beings  :   bahaullah-principle-of-bahai-faith-and-gender-equality-human-humanity-mankindoneness-of-the-human-race-sexes-men-and-women
Did you know that some of your friends are in fact cows walking around in the shape of human beings?!

If you would meet someone who would claim this and at the same time claim that he is an infallible prophet of God and that: “In origin and intention of creation mankind is one.”[2], how would you consider his credibility and character?

That person is the infallible Abdul Baha saying:

“For instance, you see the blacks in Africa who are in fact cows that God has created in the shape of human beings, and then you see the blacks of America, who are smart, civilized and cultured. Visiting schools and assemblies of blacks in Washington, during this trip, and having extensive discussions, they could understand my points like the smart Europeans.” [3]

Reading this, I wonder what the blacks of Africa think about the reality of their creation and the fact that according to Abdul Baha’s divine teachings, blacks of Africa are not to be considered human beings but “cows that God has created in the shape of human beings”.

I must mention though that Abdul Baha in the same passage refutes and contradicts himself by stating: “Human kinds without training and education is spoiled…and what else causes their (Blacks of America and blacks of Africa) differences- one being deeply ignorant and the other one being civilized- except for training…”[4]

Correct me if I am mistaken, but is the infallible Abdul Baha implying here that cows through “training and education” will turn into human beings?!

Abdul Baha Treats Turks with Ridicule; Turks Are Not Worth Serious Replies!  :
Now that we have learned what Africans in essence are, let us, through Abdul Baha’s unifying and unprejudiced teachings, learn how Turks should be treated in order to achieve understanding, respect and unity for all mankind.

Fazil Mazandarani quotes Abdul Baha in “A glossary of Baha’i terms”:
When King Jamal reached Akka he asked to see me. Riding on a donkey I headed for his house. As soon as he saw me, he warmly greeted me and offered me a seat beside himself. Without any introduction he said: ‘You are a corrupter of religion, that’s why the Iranian government exiled you here.’… I thought to myself: ‘This is a Turk so the reply for him should be ridicules and silencing.’
[5]

In the same book we are advised us to:

“Keep away from Turks and leave them alone even if he is your father! Because if he loves you he will eat you and if he hates you, he will kill you.” [6]

City-dwellers Worth Gold, Village-dwellers Worth Silver!  :

gold , silver

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Yet another holy teaching that directs humanity towards equality is the one about dowry. According to Baha’i teachings no marriage may be contracted without payment of a dowry; however the dowry fixed for a city-dweller differs from that of a village-dweller. The dowry for city-dwellers has been fixed at nineteen mithghals (2.22 troy ounces) of pure gold, and for village-dwellers at the same amount though in silver.

[7]

Now, why is there such a huge difference in the fixed dowry? One might argue that city-dwellers are wealthier than village-dwellers thus the huge difference in the fixed dowry. However this is a huge generalization and an ignorant stereotype of village dwellers.

If the objective of such a directive is to consider the bridegroom’s financial capabilities, the location of his permanent residence should be insignificant, since there are village-dwellers wealthier than city dwellers and poor city dwellers are really not uncommon.

The important question thus is whether the Baha’i teachings regard city-dwellers as superior to village-dwellers? Or maybe village-dwellers are not worth gold? Are village-dwellers considered inferior? Why then the huge difference?

Those Opposing Bahaullah’s Message Are Bastards and Animals  :  critical
The glorious founder of the Baha’i Faith, whose goal in life is to unite humanity and encourage global respect and understanding says:

“Who so ever doesn’t regard the Baha’i teachings and regulations as the ultimate truth, should ask his mother about the truth of his origin* and cannot be considered as his father’s right and legal son.” [8]

“Those souls who oppose Kitab-i-Badi’s orders are deprived of names and characters, and God regards them as animals and with such (animals) will they be joined and assembled.” [9]

“Today who so ever merely addresses my rejecters as “human beings” will be totally deprived of God’s mercy, let alone those who try to prove such souls’ worth or grant them status.” [10]

Dear readers! Allow me to summarize the Baha’i concept of human equality:
‘Keep away from Turks and leave them alone even if he is your father,’
however if you can’t get rid of them, keep in mind that ‘the reply for Turks should be ridicules and silencing’. Further, know that Blacks of Africa are ‘cows that God has created in the shape of human beings’ but the blacks of America are trained and can actually ‘understand your points like the smart Europeans’, isn’t that just amazing?! Blacks of America are able to understand matters just like the “smart Europeans”?!

Concerning those who ‘don’t regard the Baha’i teachings and regulations as the ultimate truth.’- know that they are illegitimately born and thus ‘should ask their mothers about the truth of their origin and cannot be considered as their fathers’ right and legal sons.’ And do not even call them “human beings” because if you do so, you will ‘be totally deprived of God’s mercy’ since ‘God regards them as animals and with such (animals) will they be joined and assembled’!

This is the human equality and respect taught by the glorious teachings of the Baha’i Faith.

Although Baha’i proponents try to present Bahaism as a pacifist and peaceful religion that emphasizes on “the unity of humanity”, a glance at Bahaism’s original teachings reveals the opposite. The enormous amounts of inconsistencies and contradictions found in the writings and speeches of its founders reveals their evil and corrupt mindset, and exposes Baha’ism’s sole objective; to deceive and misguide the Muslim community and destroy the pure and perfect message of Islam.

O Mankind! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, God is all-knowing, all-aware.”
(Ref: The Holy Quran 49:13)

Notes :

1. Baha’i Faith and the unity of humanity from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1’%C3%AD_Faith_and_the_unity_of_humanity

2. The Advent of Divine Justice
Shoghi Effendi, US Baha’i Publishing Trust, 1990 first pocket-size edition
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/ADJ/adj-2.html#pg38

3. Talks of Abdul-Baha in Europe and America, Abdul-Baha, p. 203
http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/ab/MMAB/mmab-201.html#pg203

4. Talks of Abdul-Baha in Europe and America, Abdul-Baha, page 203-204
http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/ab/MMAB/mmab-201.html#pg203
http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/ab/MMAB/mmab-202.html

5. ‘A glossary of Baha’i terms’, Fazil Mazandarani, Volume 3, page 42
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/authors/mazandarani/Mazandarani_Asrar_Athar_v3_part1of3.pdf

6. ‘A glossary of Baha’i terms’, Fazil mazandarani, Volume 2, page 154
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/authors/mazandarani/Mazandarani_Asrar_Athar_v2_part2of2.pdf

7. Kitab-i-Aqdas, Bahaullah, Paragraph nr 66antagonism
http://www.ishwar.com/bahai/holy_kitab_i_aqdas/texts04.html

8. Ma’idih-‘i Asmani, (Heavenly Repast), Bahaullah, Volume 4, page 355
http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html#pg355

9. Kitab-i-Badi, Bahaullah, page 213
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/baha/A-F/B/badi/badi213.jpg

10. Kitab-i-Badi, Bahaullah, page 140
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/baha/A-F/B/badi/badi140.jpg

Reference :

http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai15.html

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November 29, 2008 - Posted by | Uncategorized

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  1. LOL.

    The first thing you have cited are writings and prayers: من مكاتيب حضرت عبدالبهاء شماره is the Writings of `Abdu’l-Baha. If `Abdu’l-Baha regarded such people as COWS, then why did he show constant humility to black Baha’is like Louis Gregory by giving him the SEAT OF HONOR – in the *1910s* – at a luncheon that they had both attended? Your mendacity cannot answer that question, and your disingenuousness hurts no one but yourself and nothing but your own soul.

    Comment by Adib | November 29, 2008 | Reply

  2. An additional note regarding the cow: Here, `Abdu’l-Baha is trying to make the point that SPIRITUAL education matters and makes a difference. The blacks living in Africa at the time with no access to spiritual education were BEHAVING like animals.

    For example, I’m sure you have heard of cannibalism in Africa. Would a human roasting and eating other humans be worthy of being called one himself? Cannibalism was due to lack of education. NOW most humans know that’s wrong. Here, `Abdu’l-Baha is trying to make a distinction between blacks who have HAD the opportunity to receive a good education (American blacks in the quoted verses) versus those who have NOT had such an opportunity (African blacks *at that time*).

    FYI, `Abdu’l-Baha was SO far ahead of his time that in the 1910s, he actually asked a black Baha’i (Louis Gregory) to marry a white Baha’i (Louisa Mathew) to teach others, Baha’i and non-Bahai alike, the principle of equality of ALL humans and the importance of interracial marriage.

    I request that you kindly ask your ill-intentioned friend Imran Shaykh to actually MEET some Baha’is in real life and DISCUSS these points of interest and concern with them instead of flinging these baseless, vapid insults from behind the comfort of his computer.

    Comment by Adib | November 29, 2008 | Reply

  3. Lastly, `Abdu’l-Baha does NOT possess essential infallibility like Baha’u’llah: his area of infallibility ONLY lies with interpreting the words of Baha’u’llah, as he is the ordained Center of the Covenant.

    Comment by Adib | November 29, 2008 | Reply

  4. Regarding the Turk, Jamal:

    First of all, the author of this critique is well aware of what he skipped: a note about how Jamal “looked drunk, had the fire of hatred burning from his eyes, and could break free from chains if his hands were bound by them.” IN THIS CONTEXT, what `Abdu’l-Baha said (or thought) was NOT that he should ridicule Jamal or give him the cold shoulder. The utilized terminology in the REAL context shows that `Abdu’l-Baha wanted to reply with a humorous remark, not ridicule, to get him out of his intense state of anger; and perhaps a remark – NOT necessarily acrimonious – so as to prevent the evocation of any further emotional rage from him.

    But what is MOST important of all is that, towards the end of page 42, the text EXPLICITLY states that this is an ORAL recollection. If you know anything about Baha’is, we do NOT rely on hearsay, myth, and games of telephone for our historical and religious basis: we get those things DIRECTLY from the source, the people that actually wrote them.

    Oral tradition and hearsay are methods through which divisions are made, and sectarianism is antithetical to the Baha’i Faith; therefore we make every effort to not engage in actions or habits that can be conducive to breakaway groups.

    Comment by Adib | November 30, 2008 | Reply

  5. In regards to this quote:

    “Keep away from Turks and leave them alone even if he is your father! Because if he loves you he will eat you and if he hates you, he will kill you.”

    That quote is from a Muslim hadith as it EXPLICITLY (yet again) states right there on page 154. Also, the word used is Towghi, which leads me to believe that it was used by Shoghi Effendi and not `Abdu’l-Baha. The quote is also being directed at Haji Mirza Aqasi, a Turk who exiled the Bab to Maku and Chihriq and played a large role in his execution. The quote was probably used in anger towards him, and not as an attack on the entire Turkish ethnicity.

    But again, remember that the quote came from a hadith, meaning that it could be biased, horribly distorted, or nothing but hearsay.

    Comment by Adib | November 30, 2008 | Reply

  6. You overlook several things with your statement on the city and village-dwellers.

    Firstly, a city-dweller does not HAVE to pay 19 mithqals of gold. In fact, silver is preferable at any rate:

    “If he content himself, however, with a payment of the lowest level, it shall be better for him according to the Book.” (Aqdas, Verse 66)

    Also, there is nothing in the Aqdas which prevents or prohibits a village-dweller from paying 19 mithqals of gold.

    Now, in regards to this:

    “One might argue that city-dwellers are wealthier than village-dwellers thus the huge difference in the fixed dowry. However this is a huge generalization and an ignorant stereotype of village dwellers.”

    Not during the time of Baha’u’llah. Generally – meaning I acknowledge anomalies then and now, but there are always anomalies – poor people lived in villages and wealthier ones lived in cities. Many societies like that followed that norm.

    Considering the above points, one can see that the question of superiority and any undercurrents therein are moot.

    This entire concept of a dowry isn’t even significant: it’s ALL symbolic. This is something that Baha’u’llah put to palliate the break from Shi’ism to the Baha’i Faith, and so that devout Shi’as at that time would consider the Faith’s nature less “radical” from their perspective. The whole concept of a dowry is important in Shi’i tradition and in their lifestyle; thus, abolishing the concept as a whole would have probably diminished the early growth of the Faith in Iran substantially.

    Comment by Adib | November 30, 2008 | Reply

  7. As an addendum to the above: according to a letter written in 1974 from the Universal House of Justice to the National Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá’ís of Ísafjürdur, the law concerning the payment of a dowry by the groom to the bride on marriage is not yet binding. This means that observance of the law is optional for the time being.

    Source: http://bahai-library.com/file.php?file=uhj_laws_not_binding

    Comment by Adib | November 30, 2008 | Reply

  8. I checked out this guys sources and they simply don’t match what he qoutes Abdu’l-Baha as saying. For instance, I don’t find any reference to His saying blacks are cows.

    Comment by Susan | December 2, 2008 | Reply

  9. LOL at nervous Adib blowing smoke trying to cover up for Bahaism’s big talk!

    Susan, I too checked the source you mentioned and found what you may have missed on the third line from bottom…; ) nice try though!

    Thank you for great article! Sharp and clear!

    Kaveh

    Comment by Kaveh | December 9, 2008 | Reply

  10. LOL at mendacious Kaveh for deliberately not reading anything I wrote!

    You guys are trying really hard to make the Faith look bad and it’s generally not working.

    Comment by Adib | December 11, 2008 | Reply

  11. And what made you think I was nervous?

    Comment by Adib | December 11, 2008 | Reply

  12. In bahai teaching we read , the tongue is for good and polite speeches , and in bahaism , the unity of mankind , is another teaching .
    Now I put the exact speech of abdolbaha and I ask the readers to judge.

    “you see the blacks in Africa who are in fact cows that God has created in the shape of human beings ” ( Ref. 3 )

    Comment by Anonymous | December 16, 2008 | Reply

  13. Anonymous, read my second reply. `Abdu’l-Baha was referring to the cannibalistic savages in Africa during his lifetime who were that way due to their lack of a proper spritual education. Don’t take things out of context.

    Comment by Adib | December 17, 2008 | Reply

  14. From which part of the word “black” ,
    you have get : ” the cannibalistic savages in Africa ” !!!

    The “blacks in Africa” means all black Africans .

    Comment by Anonymous | December 19, 2008 | Reply

  15. Again, you are not thinking about the time in which `Abdu’l-Baha lived. At that juncture, cannibalism was a trait endemic in African inhabitants. That practice was ok to them because they never received a proper spiritual education. You’re reading a myriad leagues into a minor phrase and missing the big picture, no matter how virulent you think that phrase might be. If `Abdu’l-Baha felt that way about blacks, he would have never honored Louis Gregory the way he did and even find a white Baha’i that he could marry.

    All the evidence runs counter to your assumptions.

    Comment by Adib | December 20, 2008 | Reply

  16. Oh, we can also take a different approach: test your perception of `Abdu’l-Baha’s statements with Baha’i scripture. In page 7 of his book, Some Answered Questions, he notes that:

    “…in this age the peoples of the world need the arguments of reason.”

    Now `Abdu’l-Baha was an intelligent individual – obviously whether you feel the same way or not is irrelevant because there are a myriad dignitaries who have met him and have lauded him for his vast knowledge of religions and both Western and Eastern philosophy alike (Google “bahai tributes wordpress”).

    That being said, intelligent individuals do not normally contradict themselves. If `Abdu’l-Baha *actually meant* that blacks were literally COWS in the shape of humans, would that not be blatantly contrary to science and reason? And this coming from the mouth of the son of the founder of a religion which upholds the harmony of science and reason? Do you honestly think that he would make that kind of slip-up – someone with that compendium of general knowledge at his disposal (a proven and objective fact)? That assertion does not hold water in light of what this man preaches.

    Through that logic, we can now see that he obviously did not mean that phrase literally – as you might assert – because by doing so would be blatantly contradicting the words of his father.

    If it was not an attack on the *race* itself, then it must have been a remark at the *nature* of the individuals to which `Abdu’l-Baha alludes. This is why he specifically mentioned African blacks and not blacks in general, because obviously if the latter were the case, then `Abdu’l-Baha would not have shown any regard to Louis Gregory whatsoever, let alone dignify him with the *seat of honor* at a luncheon, as stated in my first response.

    Comment by Adib | December 20, 2008 | Reply

  17. Ah sorry, “contrary to science and reason” should be:

    “contrary to science and religion.”

    Comment by Adib | December 20, 2008 | Reply

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  19. dear Adib
    As far as I have studied the bahai books I realised that no individual bahai is allowed ” To Interpret” !! the writings of the Bahai Leaders.
    What can we do with the contradictions in the “writings “and the” deeds ” of the Bahai Leaders.????

    Comment by azaraf | December 21, 2008 | Reply

  20. Dear Azaraf,

    If I may modify your conclusion a bit, the truth is that no individual Baha’i has the ability to *authoritatively* interpret the Writings. They are free to give their own opinion, but they cannot do so with an air of authority. `Abdu’l-Baha was the interpreter of Baha’u’llah’s writings and Shoghi Effendi translated his interpretations into English.

    The Baha’i Writings do not contradict themselves, there are only misperceptions and misunderstandings of the text.

    Comment by Adib | December 22, 2008 | Reply

  21. My apologies Azaraf jan, I left something out of my previous comment:

    Given `Abdu’l-Baha’s role of Center of the Covenant as I mentioned above, he was vested by his father with the role of interpreting his writings without being susceptible to any error. This means `Abdu’l-Baha had the ability to explain and to elaborate whatever Baha’u’llah said, and he has done so on more than one occasion.

    Likewise, Shoghi Effendi was also able to interpret what both `Abdu’l-Baha and Baha’u’llah said, although he usually would just give a brief commentary on a subject that Baha’u’llah talked about – he did not really go into length like `Abdu’l-Baha did. Thus, `Abdu’l-Baha elaborated while Shoghi Effendi usually gave commentary or would reiterate something that `Abdu’l-Baha said.

    The Universal House of Justice, like Shoghi Effendi, usually limits themselves to commentary mainly because a lot of the unclear things have either already been posed before to them or they have been addressed by `Abdu’l-Baha or Shoghi Effendi. They also have the ability to legislate new laws for the Baha’i community, but cannot abrogate existing Baha’i laws.

    Please do not hesitate to ask more questions Azaraf jan. If you do so with a respectful tone and sincere heart then I would be more than happy to address your inquiries to the best of my ability.

    Comment by Adib | December 22, 2008 | Reply

  22. It is funny how Mr “Adib” claims: “Given `Abdu’l-Baha’s role of Center of the Covenant as I mentioned above, he was vested by his father with the role of interpreting his writings without being susceptible to any error.”!!

    So Abdul Baha’s father claimed his son infallible and you seriously think people of any sense will regard either Bahaullah or Abdul Baha as such!

    Good luck fooling yourself sir! ; )

    Comment by Afsaneh | December 26, 2008 | Reply

  23. Afsaneh jan,

    I don’t know why you put my name in quotes, as my name is actually Adib.

    Baha’u’llah had essential infallibility, meaning he was not wrong about whatever he said; he was a perfect mirror of God’s attributes on earth, hence his ontological station as an intermediary between the human kingdom and God’s exclusive realm.

    `Abdu’l-Baha’s infallibility only applied to spiritual matters and interpreting his father’s words. He was totally infallible like his father.

    And I resent the fact that you say that 6 million Baha’is, several of them top-notch scholars, have “no sense” because they profess this belief. I would like to request that you please be more sensitive to peoples’ beliefs in the future.

    To further study infallibility in the Baha’i Faith, Google “essential infallibility” and click the first result.

    Comment by Adib | December 27, 2008 | Reply

  24. Sorry, this line “He was totally infallible like his father” should say he was *not* totally infallible.

    Comment by Adib | December 27, 2008 | Reply

  25. Infallibility is not that big of a joke as you make it out to be, either – present your case to the 2 billion+ Christians who believe Jesus was God.

    Comment by Adib | December 27, 2008 | Reply

  26. Mr. Adib
    What is the Real position of Mr. Ali Mohammad Bab &
    Bahaullah in Bahai Faith?

    Comment by Azaraf | January 5, 2009 | Reply

  27. Dear “Adib”!

    “Infallibility is not that big of a joke”,true, I am sure Jesus like Mohammad were infallible, but claiming that AbdulBaha or Bahaullah were infallible with regars to their sayings and actions is most certainly a very big joke!

    Good luck convincing yourself!

    Afsaneh

    Comment by Afsaneh | January 5, 2009 | Reply

  28. Dear Azaraf,

    From the Baha’i standpoint, the Bab and Baha’u’llah were twin Manifestations of God. The Bab was the Qa’im and established his religion to prepare people for the coming of what we call “Him Whom God Shall Make Manifest”. In Sunni Islam he is the return of Christ; in Shi’ah Islam he is the return of Imam Husayn; in Zoroastrianism he is Shah Bahram; etc. And Baha’u’llah’s role was to add to the ever-changing Faith of God with the addition of the chapter of the Baha’i Faith, so that humanity may have the guidance in this day and age to finally attain the Most Great Peace (more commonly known as world peace).

    Thank you for asking questions, Azaraf jan. Please do not hesitate to ask more – I will sincerely do my best to answer to the best of my ability.

    Dear Afsaneh,

    Again you put my name in quotes. My real name is Adib. And I don’t expect you to agree with me about their infallibility. I’m just telling you that, to Baha’is, Baha’u’llah (as well as other Manifestations of God such as Jesus and Mohammad) was infallible in spiritual matters, and `Abdu’l-Baha was vested with the ability to perfectly interpret and elucidate Baha’u’llah’s statements. I am already a Baha’i, therefore I need no convincing, but I do thank you nevertheless for your concern.

    Comment by Adib | January 9, 2009 | Reply

  29. Dear Adib
    Thank you very much for quick reply , because I am interested to study bahai faith, may I ask you to help me how can I find and read the book Bab.

    Comment by Azaraf | January 17, 2009 | Reply

  30. Dear Azaraf,

    You are very welcome, thank you for asking these questions sincerely.

    As your are probably aware, most of the Bayan no longer applies to the Baha’i Faith, as the Bab himself said:

    “For all that hath been exalted in the Bayan is but as a ring upon My hand, and I Myself am, verily, but a ring upon the hand of Him Whom God shall make manifest–glorified be His mention! He turneth it as He pleaseth, for whatsoever He pleaseth, and through whatsoever He pleaseth.” (Selections From Writings of the Bab, p. 168)

    This means that Baha’u’llah had the power to abrogate laws of the Bayan, which he did. However, basically whatever is left of the Bayan that IS still relevant to the Baha’i Faith even after the coming of Baha’u’llah can be found in “Selections From Writings of the Bab” – if you go to Google and look for Baha’i Reference Library and go to the first result, you will be able to find it. All of Baha’u’llah and `Abdu’l-Baha’s writings can also be found there.

    Please ask if you have more questions. Thank you.

    Comment by Adib | January 17, 2009 | Reply

  31. That smiley face should be “page 168.”

    Comment by Adib | January 17, 2009 | Reply

  32. Mr Adib
    As far as I understand the position of Bab is very high in bahaism .Hence you can not omit or neglet his writings and books .
    I as a researcher need his writings for my studies and for my thesis

    Comment by Azaraf | January 18, 2009 | Reply

  33. Dear Azaraf,

    Yes, I was not sure if you were looking for the exact Bayan or not.

    I can give you an English translation of the Persian Bayan. Go to Google and look for Persian Bayan, and click the last result on the first page: “Суханов Владимир Николаевич. A Summary of the Persian Bayan.” You can also compare that to the first result on the first page: “The Bab’s Persian Bayan.”

    Best of luck with your thesis Azaraf jan.

    Comment by Adib | January 18, 2009 | Reply

  34. I would like to make a note, however, that you please do keep in mind when you come across some of the harsher language in the Bayan:

    “The severe laws and injunctions revealed by the Báb can be properly appreciated and understood only when interpreted in the light of His own statements regarding the nature, purpose and character of His own Dispensation. As these statements clearly reveal, the Bábí Dispensation was essentially in the nature of a religious and indeed social revolution, and its duration had therefore to be short, but full of tragic events, of sweeping and drastic reforms. Those drastic measures enforced by the Báb and His followers were taken with the view of undermining the very foundations of Shí’ih orthodoxy, and thus paving the way for the coming of Bahá’u’lláh. To assert the independence of the new Dispensation, and to prepare also the ground for the approaching Revelation of Bahá’u’lláh, the Báb had therefore to reveal very severe laws, even though most of them were never enforced. But the mere fact that He revealed them was in itself a proof of the independent character of His Dispensation and was sufficient to create such widespread agitation, and excite such opposition on the part of the clergy that led them to cause His eventual martyrdom.”

    This point will surely prove important in your thesis.

    Comment by Adib | January 18, 2009 | Reply

  35. Sorry again, that quote is from Shoghi Effendi.

    Comment by Adib | January 18, 2009 | Reply

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  37. Thank you for your uncomplete response. While for me as a theologian researcher , is easy to find the full text of OLD AND NEW TESTEMENT and also Quran , I seriously need to find the full text of Bayan ( Persian or Arabic ) Would you help me ?

    Comment by Azaraf | January 24, 2009 | Reply

  38. Dear Azaraf,

    I cannot find the original Persian text of the Persian Bayan online, only the English translations which I provided above.

    If you want the original text of the Arabic Bayan, however, look for Arabic Bayan on Google and click the fourth result down: “al-Bayan al-`Arabi”.

    Best of luck.

    Comment by Adib | January 24, 2009 | Reply

  39. You bahais claim that babism and bahaism are the newest religion in the world that can solve and answer the questions of the contemporary human-being.
    Then it is very strange that the main book of founder this new religion has been vanished less than two centuries.

    Comment by Azaraf | February 1, 2009 | Reply

  40. Dear Azaraf,

    The Bayan did not “vanish” – the fact of the matter is that it was never even widely circulated to begin with, and a perusal of scholarly Babi-Baha’i history will confirm that. We actually do own a copy of the Persian Bayan, but your average Baha’i will not because they are so rare, and the reason for that is because, again, the original work was not widely disseminated.

    And what you say about the Babi Faith being able to solve and answer all the questions, this is simply not so. Over one-third of the entire Bayan is focused on the advent of Him Whom God Shall Make Manifest (i.e. Baha’u’llah) – *his* coming and his faith is what is supposed to bring world peace and bring man to their highest spiritual potentialities.

    The mission of the Bab was to make that break in Shi’ah Islam as a distinct religion so that it would be easier for people to accept Him Whom God Shall Make Manifest, and considering that the religion has spread to over 210 countries and amassed over 6 million followers in only 140 years while still maintaining very high growth and retention rates, I’d say he succeeded.

    Comment by Adib | February 1, 2009 | Reply

  41. Again I emphasize that I need the whole Bayan for my research. How can I use the Bayan which is with you ?

    Comment by Azaraf | February 14, 2009 | Reply

  42. Dear Azaraf,

    I did manage to find the Persian Bayan online after all! Here you go:

    http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/bayanf/bayanf.htm

    Please keep me informed of how your studies go.

    Comment by Adib | February 14, 2009 | Reply

  43. Thank you very much. You solved a big problem of mine. I do read it carefully and it will help me to finalize my thesis.
    Thank you again.

    Comment by Azaraf | February 23, 2009 | Reply

  44. Dear Azaraf,

    You are very welcome. Perhaps you could also share the your thesis with the rest of us so as to make it as objective and holistic as possible.

    Comment by Adib | February 23, 2009 | Reply

  45. Dear Adib

    I had enough time to go through the whole book of Bayan but wonderfully I found that this book is not completed, it supposed to be nineteen chapters (units) but only eleven chapters (units) has been published. Who should complete this so called Divine Book?

    Comment by Azaraf | June 6, 2009 | Reply

  46. Dear Azaraf,

    That is correct; only eleven of nineteen units of the original Bayan were written. The reason it was left incomplete was so that من یظهر الله (Him Whom God Shall Make Manifest; henceforth abbreviated to HWGSMM) could complete it. Since Baha’is believe that Baha’u’llah was HWGSMM, we therefore believe that his seminal work, the Kitab-i-Iqan, was the completion of the Bayan. I hope this helps you gain an understanding of this subject from a Baha’i perspective.

    Best wishes,
    Adib

    Comment by Adib | June 6, 2009 | Reply

  47. Dear Adib
    Very strange? So how did ” Bab “announced and introduced
    the so called HWGSMM? And where?

    Comment by Azaraf | June 11, 2009 | Reply

  48. Dear Azaraf,

    The Bab talks about HWGSMM all throughout the Persian Bayan. Did you actually read it?

    http://zhurnal.lib.ru/s/suhanow_w_n/bayan_en.shtml#a1

    In that English-language summary (and that is just a summary, not even the full thing, which has more references) there are 110 references to “Him Whom God Shall Manifest”.

    Comment by Adib | June 11, 2009 | Reply

  49. Dear Adib

    Thank you very much for your reply. Would you guide me to show in which pages of Bayan there are clear references to HWGSMM which indicate that Bahaullah is HWGSMM ?

    Comment by Azaraf | October 7, 2009 | Reply

  50. Dear Azaraf,

    There are a couple of statements to this effect in the Bayan:

    “And the first month is the Month of the Point, round which the (18) months of the Living revolve; its similitude amongst the months is as the Sun, while the rest of the months are like Mirrors, and it is named by God the month of Bahá, seeing that the splendour (Bahá) of all the months is included in it. For God hath set it apart for Him whom God shall manifest…”

    (Persian Bayán, Vahíd 5, Chapter 3, E.G. Browne Translation, “Selections from the Writings of E. G. Browne,” Edited by Moojan Momen, p. 362.)

    “The best of all names are such as are related to God like Bahá’u’lláh and Jalalu’llah, and Jamalu’llah or Nuru’llah or Fadlu’llah, or Judu’llah, and the like of these and Abdu’llah and Dhikru’lláh. Gradually, in later Manifestations, all persons will be named with Names of God until all the Heaven and Earth and what is between them becomes filled with the Name of God. . . . He whom God shall manifest is like a touchstone, discriminating between pure gold and all beside. For instance if a person be named Bahá’u’lláh (the Splendour of God) and if he believes in the splendour (Bahá) of him who was the First to believe, then that Name becomes confirmed for him in Heaven…”

    (The Persian Bayán, Vahíd V, Chapter 4, Momen, p. 362-3)

    Other than the Bayan itself, the Bab clearly identifies Baha’u’llah as HWGSMM in the Kitab-i Panj Sha’n:

    “Do ye know Bahá’u’lláh or not? For He is the glory of Him Whom God shall make manifest.”

    I do not know the exact page number, but I will ask around. In the meantime you can peruse the entire Kitab-i Panj Sha’n here:

    http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/M-R/panj/panjshan.htm

    I hope to get back to you shortly.

    Best wishes,
    Adib

    Comment by Adib | October 7, 2009 | Reply

  51. Afsaneh and Kaveh

    “And when it is said to them, ‘Believe as other men believe,’ they say, ‘Shall we believe as fools believe?’ Are not they themselves the fools? and yet they do not know.”

    (The Qur’an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 – The Heifer)

    May Allah and The Prophet -Salutations be upon Him- open your eyes.

    Comment by Payvand | August 7, 2010 | Reply

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    Comment by dfgf | May 6, 2011 | Reply

  53. this not wat i am looking for

    Comment by heybabe101 | May 6, 2011 | Reply

  54. But the Bab said HWGSMM would come in more than a thousand years. If he called him Bahaullah was he talking about Husayn Ali? He actually anointed Bahaullah’s half brother Subhi Azal as his successor. But Baha’i apologists will always find convenient explanations for things like this.

    Comment by Peter | October 13, 2012 | Reply

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